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January 25, 2004: I know this place is supposed to be an online encyclopedia of gay culture in Halifax and Nova Scotia, but it seems more like an editable bulletin board for disgust and hate. This place should be about preserving Halifax's gay history, it's present life and the direction for it's future. It shouldn't be about negative comments of our community members. Open up a bulletin board for that stuff, one that can't be edited on the whim of someone else. Nancy Matthews
DanielMacKay responds: Nancy: you'll notice that some pages have a lot of disgust and hate on them, and a lot of pages, including all of the pages involved with the HistoryProject, have none. That's part of the design of the system. See WhyWikiWorks.
I agree with Nancy. There's a lot of really great stuff on here like the HistoryProject, but it seems every day new childish things are being added. There's no reason why a regular, researched website can't go up with all of the same information.
DanielMacKay writes: yes there is. It would need a single person to take care of it, and it's not me. Is it you? No? Hmmm :-) By the way, the "Wiki way" is for you to contribute content instead of bitching :-) On the other hand, it's a big web system - it has room for everything. It's better for people to be using the system for bitching, than to not be using it at all.
After all the 'Sucks' pages and negative crap was removed, why was it restored? Restoring trash talk just gives this website the rep it has and gives the usual people the place to stir up drama.
CapnDan writes: people have a right to write criticism about things. If you don't like the negative stuff - dilute it; write something nice about someone or something.
Speaking of crap, here's some from MenzBarSucks. Enjoy. 31 January 2004, AnonymousCoward writes: Hmmmmm the phrase "It'll be a male-oriented cruising bar." makes it seem like there is some legality issue there seeing as cruising is technically illegal hmmm just another scar on the GayCommunity i guess .. and look at who owns it DougMelanson the same guy who owns SeaDogsSauna ... which some call more of a brothel then a bath house ...... and from what I have heard there were a few prostituion stings there ? maybe someone could check into that but thats what i heard ... So yeah just for the purpose of legalities you may want to change the i guess description of the bar ... we dont need anymore negative names attached to the GayCommunity
{added 01/02/05} hmmm ok much needed cruiseing establishment .... that dont really fly because lets see....hmm the other GayBars in town people are always picking up prople there .. CitadelHill ... not to mention the public bathrooms...and yes i have had a few cocks waved at me under the stall wall (for the next one who does it to me and to the people doing it ...warning if you do go waving your cock under the stall walls it may get injured in some way)... and hey there's always the CruiseLine 423-3731 is the free line in case you didnt know 10 minutes each call and you can call 7 times i belive.
hmmm and the prostiutuion thing .. yes it does go on and in fact on GayDotCom and on gayhalfax.com there have been people complaining about having to pay for sex. and yes sure concenting adults doing what they want .. hey fine its your body i dont really care but you know something .. dont come crying to me for money when you get AIDS and MSI wont pay for your meds (me as in taxpayers of NS)
in short all i am simply saying is yeah fine go cruise i personally dont care what you do, but it just adds a stigma to the gay population as a bunch of horny dogs who go fucking random guys every night (you get the idea). i am not a horny dog who is fucking a different guy every night and i dont need to be automaticly assumed to be one just for the fact i am gay.
and as for the same guy owning both SeaDogsSauna and the bar .. that wasnt my point...
anyway enjoy the new bar, i am sure you will
Well its nice to see that someone is trying to stir shit over a much needed establishment for gay men. Any other large city has a "cruisy" gay bar and why should Halifax be any different. If you don't want to be associated with a cruisy bar then its simple - don't go to it. I'm sure he'll get more people who come because a party pooper like you doesn't frequent the place.
As for it being owned by the same proprietor as SeaDogsSauna, big friggin deal. Doug runs a clean and professional place where guys can be themselves without the narrow minded members of the gay population looking over their shoulders. He provides latex gloves and condoms at no charge so there is no reason for unsafe sex to be taking place and in all fairness its up to the consenting adults to be responsable for their own actions when it comes to safer sex.
As for prostitution stings well thats news to others that I know frequent the place on a regular basis and nor has my fun ever been interrupted by such an occurence. And yes, I'll admit to having been there on numerous occasions unlike many who badmouth the venture by stating untruths and probably never even went for a tour of the place to see that they are dead wrong on the facts they present.
I hope Doug has success with the new bar just as he has with SeaDogsSauna. He's a professional businessman and isn't going to do something that would put his investments at risk.
Thats my reply to AnonymousCoward's post. Anyone else care to share their views?
JC Theriault
I wasn't about to get pulled into some person's idea of a game but I gotta pick apart AnonymousCoward's reply to my above post:
AC said: "hmmm ok much needed cruiseing establishment .... that dont really fly because lets see....hmm the other GayBars in town people are always picking up prople there .. CitadelHill ... not to mention the public bathrooms...and yes i have had a few cocks waved at me under the stall wall."
JC replied - see your problem is that just because some people chose to have their fun in places other than their homes you let it bother you into believing that everyone thinks all gay guys are the same. Thats not the case at all.
So a cruising bar isn't your thing, thats fine. Washrooms or the hill aren't my idea of a pick up spot either so you might want to let a few paranoid thoughts out of your head.
AC said: "... and hey there's always the CruiseLine 423-3731 is the free line in case you didnt know 10 minutes each call and you can call 7 times i belive."
JC replied - Thats one of the big issues I have with CruiseLine is their free line. It opens the door to a lot of people who wouldn't play their headgames if they were actually paying for their membership time. Instead the paying members end up wasting a lot of their minutes because of some free line users.
AC said: "...the prostiutuion thing .. yes it does go on and in fact on GayDotCom and on gayhalfax.com there have been people complaining about having to pay for sex."
JC replied: Has it happened to you??? If not you've got nothing to bitch about and I know its never happened to me so let the people who it occurs to handle it themselves. If it happens in SeaDogsSauna then all they have to do is complain to the staff and they'll handle the guy who breaks the rules posted at the door.
As for on GayDotCom and gayhalifax.com - shit happens. I get bothered by the crack whores working the south end most nights when going to the corner store but certainly don't let it get under my skin as you are.
AC said: "and yes sure concenting adults doing what they want .. hey fine its your body i dont really care but you know something .. dont come crying to me for money when you get AIDS and MSI wont pay for your meds (me as in taxpayers of NS)."
JC replied: Guess what bud - I practice SaferSex and that greatly reduces my chances of getting any STD. You just stereotyped gay men by crying AIDS instead of the many other STDs out there. HIV/AIDS is no longer a 'gay' illness. Women get it too ya know and its on the rise in the straight community lately. What about contaminated gear at hospitals that transfer illnesses to otherwise healthy patients during surgery. Lets not forget drug users sharing needles as another way to spread disease. I'd strongly suggest that you drop by the AidsCoalition of NS office and pick up some literature or even chat with one of the staff there to learn more about the HIV and other STDs.
AC said: "in short all i am simply saying is yeah fine go cruise i personally dont care what you do, but it just adds a stigma to the gay population as a bunch of horny dogs who go fucking random guys every night (you get the idea). i am not a horny dog who is fucking a different guy every night and i dont need to be automaticly assumed to be one just for the fact i am gay."
JC replied: If it didn't bother you somehow you'd never have put up your original message. As for stigma, perhaps you should learn to tell people that they need to learn about a person's individuality rather than letting them paint everyone with the same brush.
One thing I learned over the past couple of years is to realise that those who judge people have an issue to deal with and guess what? Its not my friggin problem - its theirs to deal with and straighten out. I no longer allow people to lay on a guilt trip because of something I've done that never involved them. To put it bluntly - tell em to fuck off if they aren't open minded enough to see that everyone is a unique individual. Make sense to ya now?
And once again I've got the balls to sign my name. Why not you?
JC Theriault
Ok enough about this so called MenzBar.
"Pages which end with -Sucks are for constructive, currently relevant criticism." No, sucks pages just give the same 2 people a place to complain and stir up shit. How can you have a Sucks page full of banter about a bar that is opening TODAY? Come on. Delete the Sucks pages if you want the site to be taken seriously and not treated like a taboo sleazerag with useful History content mashed in.
Who the hell stirred up shit? I replied to some very incorrect accusations made about a soon to open establishment in Halifax. The person who did the original post bashed people having aids and accused a legitimate business owner of running a less than desirable place. I simply pointed out his errors and hopefully a few people learned more about SeaDogsSauna and MenzBar at the same time.
JC Theriault
There always an asshole who like to stir up shit for the gays, I like the menz bar and all the the others gays bars in the Halifax, if you don't, then stay away, don't stir up shit. Thanks From Mike
June 2005 Guys! What is with the pervasive sex-negative attitude?
Go to the bathouse-Seadogs. Go get laid. If half the guys who go to thebars went to thw bathhouse, it might be fun. Doug has set up a great place-clean,warm, inviting. You don't have to get into the sling. You can rent a room. You don't need to have sex with "that" guy and yes, the darkroom light is menat to be off-please leave it that way. So get out there and stick a cock in your mouth and one up your ass and get yourself off! And get over this sex-negative attitude!!!
THIS PLACE IS AND ALWAYS WILL BE A BATTLE GROUND FOR my fat stupid ass - and my royal visit - i am shit - i am fat and a loser - please keep this in mind when refering to me - i am suckface bullshit - i'm fat and stupid- TheChuck?28 (TheChuck?)
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Oooops...yer generalizing a bit too much...I don't hate dragqueens AND bars...I hate bars filled with dragqueens!! (in the city of Halifax...because they suck) Big diff. Wouldn't it be fabulous if I were the only one who felt that way? Then yous could all call me crazy and justify your existence by summing me up to a singular freak! *sigh*...can't always get what you want I guess. :)
Love and sloppy kisses :)
Chuck
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